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Yes, I’m a Gay Christian

Last week I wrote a blog in which I finally fully came out as a gay Christian. Truthfully, it’s still a bit weird to say out loud, but the more I say it, the more I own it, the more at peace I feel about it. Not to mention I feel pretty excited about talking about this more from a first person perspective, and not just an ally or concerned citizen. Before now, it was never truly personal. Now, I can confidently say that LGBT issues are my issues, too.

More than that,

I recognize the reality that I’m now kind of an anomaly as a gay christian.

I mean, within the US, there is estimated to only be around 4% of the population identifies as LGBT, so you can imagine that the population of LGBT and Christian is even smaller, but I know that this is where God has brought me to.

You’ll notice that a good bit of my writing from here on out is going to be focused on talking about intersections of faith and sexuality. It’s an important conversation, and I want to be someone who can write about it every day terms, to put a face on this issue. 

For the majority of my life, I’ve run in mostly conservative circles. During the initial part of me coming out to my conservative friends, I’ve gotten pretty ambivalent responses. Things like, “I don’t really know where I land on this issue, I just know that I’m supposed to love people.”

I get it. You want to be welcoming, but you don’t want to say you think being LGBT is okay because, frankly, you probably aren’t quite sure exactly what scripture says about same-sex relationships.

So, in this first blog in a series of many, I want to share with you how I got to where I am now.

So, here we go.

Yes, I’m a gay Christian.

And yes, I’m very sure that I’m gay.

I’ve known since I was 14 years old, freshmen year of high school in Ms. Triantophilous’s art foundations class. I remember the moment vividly because I’ve never felt more ashamed or isolated in my life. I was a Christian, baptized in the church I was born into on July 4, 1999, and Christians simply did not struggle with homosexuality. That was for sinners and I was not a fag. I couldn’t be. Gay people were going to hell.

So if I’m saved by grace, redeemed by the blood, walking in the Spirit, why me? God, why did I have to be stricken with what felt like a curse?

I was told that you couldn’t be a gay Christian because being gay was choosing to sin. But believe me when I say that I never chose to be attracted to men. 

And so I tried fix myself. In therapists office, at conferences, I was told that it was possible to change my sexual orientation. I was told that if I prayed hard enough, that if I fasted enough, went through a ton of inner-healing, that God would honor that. That God would make me straight.

I latched on to that rhetoric like a life-preserver in a sea of doubt. God would save me from my perversion. But all that did was poison my own heart against myself. Even after several failed attempts with ex-gay ministry, pseudo-psychology, and ton of well-intentioned, but misguided, advice and counsel, I was still a gay Christian and I hated myself so much.

My emotional baggage was filled with shame, sadness, and suicidal intentions that I carried with me for eleven years. Eleven years I have spent struggling with this question:

Does God love me for who I am, not in spite of who I am?

Like I said, I have tried being straight. 

Dated a few girls in high school, and then I was intentionally single for a few years while I tried to sort this out. Even after that period, “convinced” that God had awakened in me a desire that truly never existed, I tried to date two amazing, godly women who I ended up hurting because I was simply not fully attracted to them. (And somehow, despite my deception, I remain friends with both of them.)

I can’t tell you how many times I made late night phone calls to my brother and friends when I was on the verge of ending my life. It was strong people who willed me back to life, who prayed for me day in and day out for God’s love to descend on me. And to a degree, it did. God held on to me. I was preserved. And I had no idea why.

When I returned from the World Race, I was determined to find an answer for this question, and I got my hands on every bit of literature I could on homosexuality and the Bible. I needed to know, for myself, what the heart of God was. I read every blog, article, and book there was on this. I had a handle on progressive/inclusive and affirming theology and also knew the in’s and out’s of conservative/traditional theology. Even armed with all the knowledge in the world, and having beautifully wise people around me who offered their opinions and prayer, I still found myself planted firmly in the middle.

I understood why traditional scripture interpretations existed. In fact, it was the only thing I had ever known. I was told many times that it was the Truth with a capital T, and I had to line up with it (with a proverbial “or else” added in subtext of numerous conversations), but when I looked at my own life and the life of Jesus, something just didn’t settle.

I couldn’t believe that God would damn me to a life of loneliness and continual ostracization over something I never chose. I would forever be the third wheel, forever be on the prayer list, forever be the poor soul who struggled with his sexual identity.

The dialogue in my head was that if I couldn’t stop my body from sinning, I might as well end it and go see Jesus.

And I tried to kill myself twice. Both times, I failed.

Praise God for his preservation of my life because without it, I wouldn’t be here to tell you about the new life he has given to me. For years, I was waiting on God to speak into this situation. Not a man or woman, or a book. I did not want my own biases to speak into my interpretation of scripture. So I waited and waited.

And then the Holy Spirit finally spoke.

When I moved to Georgia in January 2015, I got a tattoo of an empty birdcage on my right wrist. It’s symbolic of me stepping away from a place where I felt I wasn’t not allowed to wrestle with my faith. I felt caged in my one set of doctrine and theology, one that was said to be pretty much absolute.

But something in me just didn’t settle. I disagreed with the sentiment that there was only one way to look at the scriptures concerning same-sex relationships. There had to be another way. And that church, as much as I loved the family that I had gained there, was not the place to explore my doubt.

I do want to say that whole situation was handled with as much care and with grace as possible. I was never publicly shamed and I wasn’t forced out of my In fact, I’m still friends with those leaders, and we’ve just agreed to disagree. (That is honestly the mark of true friendship, that disagreement doesn’t splinter a relationship.) I left of my own accord for my new position in Gainesville, and was sent with a blessing. It was lovely, and I miss it.

And when I got to Georgia, I wrestled with God. I felt like God was going to perform a miracle, at least that was what I asked for. And where I worked, it was not a far stretch. In an act of faith, I started dating one of those godly women I mentioned before in a last-ditch effort to make something come alive in me that probably didn’t exist in my personhood. After that ended, I sat in my shame.

I needed and answer from God, because nothing was working.

Either He needed to speak clearly and tell me to begin my commitment to celibacy, or He was gonna have to do something new.

And then, kind of like clockwork, a series of events occurred where I could attend The Reformation Project’s regional training conference in Atlanta. TRP is a Christian non-profit that works to equip people to have conversations with their local churches about becoming more inclusive and affirming of LGBT people.

It was the single, most important, most life changing weekend of my life, and I don’t say that hyperbolically.

Walking in the space and worshiping alongside 300ish other LGBT Christians was incredible. I’ve read articles and blogs by straight people who say that it was transformative for them because they never expected the Holy Spirit to show up and then Holy Spirit DOES?! I was in the same boat. I never expected it. But Holy Spirit was there, and present and moving and I felt loved in a way I had never felt loved before.

My entire Christian journey, I felt like I was a second class son.

I felt welcomed, but only so much. I could participate, but only to a degree. But in that moment, I finally felt welcomed into the family of God. I was affirmed in my sonship in its entirety. I never felt more free of shame, more set free from the expectation and approval of man. Jesus met me in the realest way possible.

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It was Holy Spirit, present, living, breathing, speaking.

And today, I’m walking in the fullness of God. I am unashamed, unrestrained, and fully in love with Jesus. More in love with Him than I’ve ever been. And this is just the beginning of my story.

 


yes, I'm a gay christianLet me note something- I totally recognize that this blog is wrapped up with a lot of feelings, and people might say, “Well this isn’t a compelling argument because it’s totally wrapped up in feelings.”

You’re right. But not many people read blogs over 2000 words. SO!

Over the next few weeks, I’m going to be writing blogs detailing exactly how I arrived at an affirming theology. I’m going to unpack my thoughts, talk about scripture and doctrine, and I’m going to share with you why I believe what I do. So! You should subscribe, that way you don’t miss anything.

Also, I’d love to know what you’re thinking, what questions this is bringing up, etc. Let’s talk in the comments.

(Just a word, please keep it respectful and in the spirit of dialogue. I’m not looking to put anyone out, and hateful comments will be straight up deleted cause I’m not dealing with your shit.)

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  • Luke Geldmacher

    Kevin,

    I am so happy to be reading this blog. Thank you for being part of this conversation that so desperately needs to be had. You are a great friend, a better writer, and an advocate. Love you dude and never feel caged again.

  • Michael Dresdner

    SO FUCKING BRAVE

  • Heather

    Maybe I missed this part, but…did you end up commiting to celibacy? Or did you choose a different option?

    • Different option. I’m fully out and convinced that same-sex relationships aren’t sinful. Stay tuned, I’ll be unpacking these ideas further over the next few weeks.

      • Joshua Davison

        Basically, a la Matt Vines? His arguments have been thoroughly refuted. I look forward to what you have to say

        • Jerry Reiter

          In your bubble maybe, but among Christians the support for marriage equality is growing all the time. And if you don’t like Vines, read James V. Brownson.

          • PrinceMyshkin1

            They’re not real Christians if they support redefinition of God’s definition of marriage.

          • Jerry Reiter

            Marriage during most time periods covered by the bible had nothing to do with our nuclear family ideals. Romantic love had nothing to do with it. Women were the property of their fathers until they were traded to a groom for livestock (dowery), or sold into slavery, as okayed in Ex 21:7. Any bride who could not “Prove” she was a virgin was to be stoned to death on her wedding night in front of her father’s house, Deut 22, which also says a rape victim may be required to wed her rapist if he fails to pay her father money. A man could have as many wives as he could afford and as many concubines (very young girl sex slaves) as his sword could capture. King Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines; the bible never spoke against this. Slavery was taken for granted in the bible.There were no laws preventing a man from beating or raping his slaves, children and wives. If a divorce was granted, the woman had no right to custody or visitation since the kids were the man’s property.

            Actually, you are thinking of 1950’s TV sitcom definitions, which has nothing to do with God or the bible.

          • PrinceMyshkin1

            Oh bull. God created man and woman and told them to be fruitful and multiply. That is God’s natural plan. Sorry but homosexual marriages can’t produce children. No equality. Never will be. You’ve shown yourself to be a hater of the Word.

          • Jerry Reiter

            In my church we have 2 warm, wonderful women who’ve loved the Lord and one another for 60 years. They did a great job raising their kids and spoiling the grandchildren. When their marriage was legally conducted in our church, everyone felt the love of the Lord that day. God is blessing all marriages where love is found.

          • PrinceMyshkin1

            In the end many will say “Lord, Lord” and he will say “Depart from me, I knew ye not.” Sorry God doesn’t give warm fuzzies out to your sexual lifestyles. Case closed.

          • Jerry Reiter

            Matthew 27:5 and Luke 10:37

          • Did you just tell this man to kill himself? That just ruined everything that you have attempted to say here…even if it had any merit

          • Jerry Reiter

            Fuck off, you asshole.

          • Chris Larosa

            Dude – that is a total misapplication of that scripture. Jesus said that wrt Matt 25 referring to the sheep and the goats – a parable of how the goats (Pharisees) didn’t know God because they didn’t SERVE Him and obey His teachings of charity and compassion and selflessness. Instead of harassing and trolling other believers that disagree with you on this subject, why don’t you get off your computer and actually serve someone instead of your ego? Reference Matt 25:31. Good reading!

            In the immortal words of Reverend Al…..Nice try.

          • RM129

            PrinceMyshkin1 – What do you say about couples who cannot conceive due to old age or infertility? By your logic, those couples are also not equal.

          • Joshua Davison

            Jeremy it seems you want to focus on the OT definition vs the NT. As my comment that was polite and non confrontational was deleted as to how I hope my children believe and act in love was deleted I’m not sure how a conversational thread is possible. Very disappointing.

          • Joshua Davison

            No bubble Jerry just biblical study and theological comparison and review for twenty years. My circle is very wide in regards to theology and specifically this topic. I’d caution you from using assumptions because someone has an opposing opinion. This is an unfortunate side affect of progressive agenda and does not lend itself to discussion or debate. I’ve read and heard from both and many more. All have fundamental flaws and significant gymnastics that bend and twist totey to validate a desired point. You can label it what you want ‘marriage equality’ but that does not make those Christians right or theologically sound. It just show the invasive nature of the culture of me we have secularlly now.

          • Jerry Reiter

            Joshua, I thin you know deep down that your grandchildren’s generation will see your views on gays and marriage equality the way most of us see our grandparents’ generation’s views on race and interracial marriage.

        • Chris Larosa

          Thoroughly ‘refuted’ by Michael Brown. But he’s a doctor! He must be right!
          http://www.rightwingwatch.org/category/people/michael-brown

          Dude, the guy is a screeching homophobic a-hole with a proven history of spreading countless lies. Put. The. Koolaid. Down.

          • Joshua Davison

            Many many biblical scholars and those with great expertise in the languages of the Bible have. This is just one man. What might your credentials be?

          • Chris Larosa

            I’ve been a bible scholar for over 30 years, but I don’t owe you any credentials and that’s a smokescreen anyway. More to the point: so why exactly are you on this site, Josh? I’m genuinely curious. Notice I Am NOT using the term ‘troll’.

          • Joshua Davison

            Well, I find people who disparrage others credentials often have none of their own. It often serves as a smokescreen as you say. As for my reason being here it is simply to understand the thought process and positioning of a topic that has not had the level of discussion it should have in a manner that is productive. I am also a a devout Christian who whole heartedly believes all man needs to hear the message of Grace and fellowship. To speak to a topic and not study all perspectives regardless of your own accomplishes nothing and leads to ignorance.

          • Chris Larosa

            Josh, that’s a fair response. But do credentials define the true validity of a perspective? I mean, I would strongly assume that the vast majority of credentialed theologians agree that a female should never possess a pastoral position, but through the injection of reason and experience, I know many pastors have come to the conclusion Paul’s perspective could be taken differently. As to slavery, I’m sure there were plenty of credentialed theologians that truly believed scripture soundly supported the idea that forced slavery was a God-appointed institution. And the subjugation of women as well. And I’m certain, though I wasn’t there, these ideas died HARD with much controversy and fiery counter sermons.

            So getting back to my original question of why you are on this site. If it’s for discussion, as you say, then is this truly the best venue? Clearly you’ve done lots of reading and obviously disagree with the majority on this site. Is discussion going to change anyone’s mind? I think we both know the answer to that. My opinion: this is only a generalization, but most ‘dissenters’ that interject their ‘counter-opinion’ on a blog such as this usually do so solely to stir up trouble and poke others’ eyes – all from the comfort of their anonymous keyboard. Generally, it results in arguments, name calling, accusations, and mostly…spiritual grandstanding. And none of it glorifies God, and none of it bears any fruit…other than, well, rotten fruit.

            Please understand that the majority of readers/commenters on gay Christian sites are gay, and they have had the S*** kicked out of them their entire lives. They’ve been brutally mocked and denigrated publicly. Some have been disowned by their families (I know plenty). Many have been booted out of their churches and have lost friends and family over their revelation. So to have anyone jump into a gay-friendly blog and start kicking people in the teeth (like PrinceMyshkin) is mean-spirited and unwelcome and, yes, will NEVER bear Godly fruit. Would Jesus participate in this manner? I confidently doubt it. If someone truly believes even Christian LGBTs are going to Hell “period”, then stirring up dissent and hard feelings on a blog such as this is completely unproductive and counter-intuitive.

            Like you I am a devout Christian of several decades and have served my country in the military my entire career so people are free express their thoughts, even if some are totally unfair and ascerbic, but I would strongly advise Christians of the ‘traditional’ persuasion, if they truly care about the souls of gay people, then there are simply more effective ways of engaging the community. I strongly recommend getting to know a few gay people and talking face to face and developing a friendship. The Holy Spirit won’t honor tit for tat on a website. I’m confident of that.

            I have met Matthew Vines on several occasions and I know most of his staff. He loves the Lord deeply, something that no one can truly deny. There are many many gay Christians that truly love the Lord and serve Him. They understand the gospel to the core and live by the Spirit. I am one as well. Can you imagine how difficult it is for trolls like ‘Prince’ to smugly assert that he can look into our hearts, and simply because we have accepted our God-given sexuality, that we’re automatically burning in Hell? To Hell with John 3:3 and Rom 10:9? Yes, we disagree with the ‘traditional’ interpretation of some scripture and yes, we strongly question the dubious modern translations of 1Cor 6:9 and 1 Tim 1:9-10. But the Holy Spirit testifies in our hearts that we are His children and we have declared Him Lord.

            Sorry for the long diatribe here, but I hope it made some kind of worthy point. Assuming you genuinely care for gay people, I would just appeal to you that dissenting on these kinds of sites won’t help. Seeking face to face transformative relationships are truly the way. And this is for you, not for tools like Prince, because he’s too jaded to listen. Peace, brother.

  • Jeremiah Stanley

    Um. You missed it. Like the whole thing. Firstly, Matthew 19 is a passage about divorce. The context matters. It doesn’t elucidate anything about same-sex marriage. Christ uses accommodationist language to speak to a scenario that the crowd could and would understand. He does this often – in parables. Consider Psalm 96:10 which states, very clearly, “the earth cannot be moved.” Considering this rock we’ve entrenched ourselves on is being hurled through space at inextricable speed, it’s safe to say that verse speaks to something else. Take you love and shove it. It’s not representative of my Christ.

    • PrinceMyshkin1

      Jeremiah, you lose all credibility with me by starting your message with “Um.” Sounds a little 10 gradeish. Your gobbly gook about Christ accommodating the crowd just doesn’t wash. He always spoke to the flock and many of his parables were intentionally obtuse. “Your” representative of Christ is a fiction. Homosexuality is a sin and always will be. Jesus, the same today, yesterday and forever.

      • Jeremiah Stanley

        Careful dear, your phylactery is obscuring your vision.

        • PrinceMyshkin1

          Jesus was a big believer in the law. We have liberty in Christ but the law did not pass away.

          • Jerry Reiter

            You just voided the cross of Christ. Your message is the same as that of the Pharisees. You are today’s Pharisee.

          • PrinceMyshkin1

            I didn’t void anything. Jesus said not jot or tittle of the law shall pass. YOU ARE A FALSE TEACHER.

          • Jerry Reiter

            YOU KEEP LYING ABOUT THE WORDS OF JESUS. STOP IT, PHARISEE

          • PrinceMyshkin1

            I’M QUOTING JESUS. HERE IS HIS DEFINITION OF MARRIAGE “A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS MOTHER AND FATHER AND HOLD FAST TO HIS WIFE.” CASE CLOSED

          • Jerry Reiter

            Liar, Jesus was not speaking about gay marriage. Jesus was answering a question about divorce and remarriage, a teaching totally ignored the anti-gays today. And that is from Genesis, a group of stories from the Bronze Age.

          • PrinceMyshkin1

            I can see now you’ve got some issues. I should have never engaged. I pray for you to find peace and the real Jesus.

          • Jerry Reiter

            “I pray for you…” should never be used as a smug put-down, but that is what Pharisees have been doing since they rejected Christ. You are the offspring of the Pharisees.

          • PrinceMyshkin1

            It’s not a put-down. It’s genuine. You seem pretty sick.

          • Jerry Reiter

            You are so blinded with hate everyone who is healthy appears sick to you. Repent of your hard-hearted Pharisee ways.

          • David Malcolm Puranen

            Your faith is dead dude. When you believe that God incarnate who intentionally healed people on the Sabbath, (against the law) ate with unclean people, (against the law) didn’t properly wash, (against the law and did any number of other things that drove the chief priests (people like you) so nuts that they murdered Him.

            Christ died, and in doing so created a new covenant. The bulk of the New Testament is about exploring what that new covenant looks like. But you’re ignoring it, partly because the new covenant doesn’t offer you a chance to abusively control your neighbour. And that’s your problem. You want to control everyone else, and make them do what you think is right. But you fail to accept all the ways in which Jesus loves our unique traits. You fail to see what you can learn from gay Christians, we’re much closer to God than you realize. Because we share His experience of persecution by those who try and co-opt the words of YHWH, in a way that nobody else does.

          • Travis Keeton

            Prince you are in need of the truth. Jesus of course did believe in the law and said He did not come to destroy it, but rather to fulfill it. You need to know what fulfill means,.If I break a law, and have to pay a fine, when I pay it , I have fulfilled my punishment. Jesus had not yet died but He knew He would as that was How He would fulfill the Law for all of us. He without sin, ,took all our sins upon Himself so that He would be paying the price or ransom for our sins of the law. The wages of sin is death. He died for our sins and we died in our sins with Him..When we believe in our heart Jesus is Lord and Loved us to take on our sins we are made righteous and when we confess with our mouths that Jesus is Lord we are saved. ( Romans 10:9,10 ) If we do this, He is not requiring us to do anything else. That would be we have repented when we accepted Jesus as Lord. .If we think we have do something like changing our sexuality, then we show we do not believe Jesus paid it all for us.God Loves us and as I see it He wants us to know He deserves all the credit for our salvation gift. If one is gay, they will still be gay but now the Holy Spirit living in us will become our conscience and guide us. Leave that up to the Holy Spirit because God can use LGBT people to reach out to others.
            He is the Judge not the anti- gay Christians.

      • Jerry Reiter

        Jesus the same today, yesterday and forever – HE NEVER SPOKE A WORD AGAINST HOMOSEXUALS – YOU DID.

        • PrinceMyshkin1

          Jesus said he was God. YOU DON’T KNOW YOUR BIBLE. Jesus said he would come back to judge sin. Homosexuality is sin. HE NEVER SPOKE A WORD AGAINST PEDOPHILES, DOES THAT MEAN, HE APPROVES OF THEM TOO?

          • Jerry Reiter

            I know it very well, having studied it for 44 years, having gone to Christian college and seminary where I studied the bible in the original languages. I got ordained and worked as a chaplain to the homeless and as a church pastor. I have taught the bible for decades. Get thee behind me, Satan.

          • PrinceMyshkin1

            You sound like you never read the Bible once. You are full of distortions and lies to fit a gay agenda. You’re frightening. Get thee behind me SATAN!

          • Jerry Reiter

            And you are a parrot because you are not able of coming up with your own thoughts. And you go against the teachings of Jesus at every turn. You don’t even recognize the power of the cross. Your evil stench is putrid. Let me guess, you’ve been out gay bashing and are filled with more blood lust.

          • PrinceMyshkin1

            I have only cited the words of Jesus. I don’t make stuff up like you. Jesus loves you but not your sin.

          • Jerry Reiter

            You have not cited a single word from the living Jesus. You have parroted prejudice.

          • PrinceMyshkin1

            Of course I have. And he addressed sexual immorality with the prostitute. He said, “go thou and sin no more.” You are a lunatic.

          • In regards to God never telling us homosexuality is a sin: Leviticus 18:22
            “Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.”
            Now, knowing that all sin, no matter how big or small keeps us from God…and there’s nothing we can do for ourselves to earn the free gift of God that is eternal life, but it has been given to us through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, who is both God and God’s son. (Eph 2:8-9)
            Although I disagree with you embracing your homosexuality, I cannot imagine what it has been like for you to fight this, and it is not my place to condemn you.
            I just want to say that in my experience and learning of Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit and His word, that as long as your heart truly does believe that Jesus died and rose again for your sins and you are truly repentant in your heart of all sin (not just homosexuality) then you will be saved (Rom 8:9,10)….
            it’s all about doing our best to live like Christ, but none of us are perfect (Rom 3:23), so there is no need to condemn each other, but build each other up…and that is all I’m trying to do here. (Proverbs 27:17 – As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another)
            Also, I would watch the language we use to each other, if you are approaching this topic truly out of love, there is no need for harsh language toward one another

          • Jerry Reiter

            Liar, you know I said Jesus during his life, not some nonsequitor from Leviticus, a book nobody follows today. Nor should they. It is a book of laws for Levitical priests. Lev 20:10 execute adulterers – does your church teach that one? Of course not. YOU DON’T EVEN REALIZE THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF BIBLE VERSES NOBODY FOLLOWS NOW. And there were 114 abominations. 113 are not followed.1 is misused to deny civil rights in modern nations.

          • You’re missing the point… 2 Tim 3:16 “All scripture is God-breathed and profitable for teaching, for reproof, correcting and training in righteousness”
            God has given all of the scriptures to us to use…the point of the law in the old testament is to show God’s people the way to be holy, and to show them (us) that it is not possible because we are fallen “For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” – (Rom 3:23)

            What about this: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.” (Matt 5:17)

          • Jerry Reiter

            There is a danger in plucking isolated bible verses out of context and stringing them together. Matt 27:5 and Luke 10:37
            PS if you believe the law remained in effect after the cross, you are no different than a Pharisee. You voided the cross of Christ. He paid the debt for all.

          • Mark Brown

            Jesus did not totally do away with the moral laws. He got rid of the ceremonial and civic laws. Those laws derived from nature are repeatedly stated in the New Testament as still being valid.

          • Jerry Reiter

            Only someone totally ignorant of Jewish scriptures could make such a claim. Where exactly do you find a list of “moral laws, ceremonial laws, civic laws” and are you aware that no Christians follow all of the laws be they moral, ceremonial or civic? Such absurdity. Bigots use scripture to promote prejudice. Fortunately, most people have seen through the error of bigoted thought.

          • Jerry Reiter

            Liar. You don’t even realize you ignore tons of scripture today. Or have you been executing adulterers, advising men to sell their daughters into slavery, stoning non-virgin brides, requiring rape victims to wed their rapist, executing those who leave the faith of their father? You are a fraud. Get lost.

          • Mark Brown

            The problem with that is that while Jesus may not have spoke against homosexuals, there are other parts of the New Testament that does. Specifically, Paul. Now we can say Paul got it wrong but once you call into question the veracity of any scripture you call into question all of it. Jesus didn’t write anything down. So we are only going by what the apostles tell us he said. If you cannot trust the apostles to speak the truth then you cannot know anything about Jesus at all.
            Now, I really don’t care too much about the blog. It showed up in a Facebook room I look at. However, I find something a little odd about the thought that the church has gotten this issue wrong for 2000 years and then we in modern times have all of a sudden figured it out. Coincidentally, right about the time that the LGBT movement hits a huge swing towards acceptance and it becomes very “bigoted” to not to accept it. Do what you want to do. However, it is absurd to think you now have some monopoly on truthful interpretation that has been missed for 2000 years and that everyone else should just change their mind because your new views make you happy.
            P.S. Jesus quoted Leviticus. He must have found it had some value.

          • Jerry Reiter

            Mark, NOBODY IN THE BIBLE SPEAKS OF “HOMOSEXUALITY” SINCE THAT IS A MODERN MEDICAL CONCEPT DERIVED FROM SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE UNKNOWN IN BIBLE TIMES. The church has followed the common prejudices many times. EVERY SINGLE CIVIL RIGHTS ISSUE HAS BEEN OPPOSED BY BIBLE-QUOTING CHRISTIANS – Slavery, race, women, LGBT = religious conservatives got wrong. Religious conservatives are the spawn of the Pharisees. They know not love. You are no different than a racist, morally speaking. You are dead certain bigots like you are the only real Christians, the same assumption KKK members make about themselves.
            PS NOBODY TODAY FOLLOWS LEVITICUS, BUT BIGOTS LIKE YOU MISUSE IT TO DENY CIVIL RIGHTS.

          • Mark Brown

            LOL… your history is somewhat right and somewhat wrong. All those issues may have been opposed by what you call “bible quoting Christians.” However, they were all also supported by bible quoting Christians. I am a little confused as to your aversion for Christians who quote the bible. Since the Bible is the standard of all Christian values I would think bible quoting to be a worthy calling for a follower of Christ. Yes, Christians, at least cultural Christians, have misused the Bible. However, the fault lies with those people who did that. Not with all Christians or with the Bible. Even if someone used the Bible out of context to support slavery that doesn’t change the original meaning of the Bible. Slavery was ended by conservative Christians. Civil rights gained ground because of Christians. If you do not know that then your knowledge of history is limited.
            As for your personal attacks, I have trouble taking them very seriously. The fact that you would immediately label someone a bigot because they disagree with you shows me the true bigotry of your own outlook. I make no assumptions about who is a Christian and who is not. That never even came up in the post I made. Your own anger and hatred just inserted that little bit so that you could have a target to shoot your own bigotry at. Am I guilty of not loving people enough? Very much so. Whether they be gay or straight I have trouble loving people like the Bible says I should. I have that problem because I am a fallen creature with a sin nature that God has yet to remove from me. I am very aware of what I am. I wonder, given the self-righteous drivel you just flung out, if you can say the same. Either way, I don’t really care what you do. Far from sitting here hating you or how you live your life, I am completely unconcerned with it. And that is a defect in me.

          • Jerry Reiter

            You are a smug know-it-all. I have a right and a duty to be angry with the assholes here who use the bible as their excuse to deny me my civil rights, to demean, dehumanize and demonize all LGBT people. You can go fuck yourself if you don’t like it.

          • Jerry Reiter

            Fuck off, bigot.

          • Travis Keeton

            Prince —It’s not nice to call someone a lunatic. When Jesus told her to go and sin no more there are two things you missed, She was a prostitute . That is different than two not being promiscuous but together in love. The other is Jesus had not died yet to pay the ransom for our sins. The death on the Cross was God loving all in the world that He gave His only begotten Son that we could be made righteous. ( Free Of Sin ) That is what brought in the Grace age that we are in now. It will not help you however if you do not accept God’s favor that you do not merit. ( That is what Grace is ).You are trying to earn your way into being righteous and that is not going to happen.

          • I respect what you have said here about Jesus not dying for our sins yet…it makes me think more about how it all works before Jesus died, and before He was even born…that has always been a mystery for me (regardless of if it is somewhere in the Bible and I may have missed it) I am always up for learning more about God! But only if it is based in His Word, and not just speculation.

          • Jerry Reiter

            It is no sin to be homosexual. It is a gift from God. You hate God’s rainbow children.

          • Aaron Gochnauer

            I can agree with you that being gay is not a sin. Just as being an alcoholic is not a sin and as being addicted to porn is not a sin. I believe “owing” being gay and “owning” being an alcoholic and “owing” being addicted to porn is awesome and necessary. But acting on these desires and passions is not. Now as far as Jesus not condemning men having sex with other men, here is what I would have to say to that:

            Jesus is never quoted in the New Testament as having directly addressed rape, incest, domestic violence or homosexual behavior. So are we supposed to believe all these practices are okay with Him?

            Gospel writer and apostle John tells us there are many teachings and deeds of Christ that are not included in their New Testament accounts (John 21:25).

            Christ is quoted at one point that God created people “in the beginning” as male and female, and that marriage is the union of one man and one woman joined together as “one flesh.” (Matthew 19:4-6 and Mark 10:6-9) Nothing is said about any other type of union.

            When He discussed sexual morality, Christ had a very high standard, clearly affirming long-standing Old Testament law. He told the woman caught in adultery to “Go and sin no more.” (John 8:11) He warned people that not only the act of adultery was wrong, but even adulterous thoughts (Matthew 5:28). And he shamed the woman at the well (John 4:18) by pointing out to her that he knew she was living with a man who was not her husband.

            Christ used the destruction of the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah as dramatic examples of God’s wrath (Matthew 10:15, Mark 6:11, Luke 10:12, and Luke 17:29). Throughout the Old Testament, prophets described these cities as being notorious for the practice of homosexuality. (Genesis 18:20, Genesis 19:4-5, Isaiah 3:9, Jeremiah 23:14, Ezekiel 16:46-59). Jesus certainly knew that this was how the comparison would be understood.

            Most important of all, Christ was God incarnate (in the flesh) here on earth. He was the long-expected Messiah, Emmanuel (which means “God with us”). This was revealed in Matthew 16:13- 20, Matthew 17:5-9, Mark 8:27-30, Luke 4:16-30, Luke 9:18-21,John 4:25-26, John 8:57-59 and elsewhere. As one with God, He was present from the beginning of creation (John 1: 1-13; Colossians 1:15-17; Ephesians 3:9 and elsewhere).

            So, Jesus was God as the laws were handed down through Moses to Israel and eventually to the whole world. This Old Testament law clearly prohibited homosexuality (Genesis 19, Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13; Deuteronomy 23:18 and elsewhere). The apostles understood this also, as shown by Paul’s writing in Romans 1:24-27, Peter’s in 2 Peter 2:4-22, and John’s in Revelation 22:15.

            So–the apostles, who were taught by Christ, clearly understood that homosexuality was a sin as it has always been. When people say, “Jesus said nothing about homosexuality,” they reveal that they really haven’t understood Scripture, or Who Christ was and is.

          • Chris Larosa

            Aaron, I really don’t want to waste my time debating you on your dissertation, but are you serious?

            “Throughout the Old Testament, prophets described these cities as being
            notorious for the practice of homosexuality. (Genesis 18:20, Genesis
            19:4-5, Isaiah 3:9, Jeremiah 23:14, Ezekiel 16:46-59).”

            There are 15 bible passages that reference S&G and other than Gen 19 that clearly references RAPE, and not homosexuality, not ONE of these scriptures reference what you are claiming – not one. And then to actually reference Ezekiel which is by far the most damning evidence to your position being incorrect. You just invalidated your argument. You mention:

            Gen 18:21 – “their sin is very grave..” ?
            Genesis 19:4-5 – this is clearly about rape. C’mon….
            Isaiah 3:9 – ..”they proclaim their sin like Sodom..” ?
            Jeremiah 23:14 – ..”they commit adultery…” ?
            Ezekiel 16:46-59 – “…she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy.” And homosexuality is mentioned….where?

            Dude, this doesn’t even categorize as a stretch. It’s an outright fabrication, perhaps an honest one? Most of everything else you mention is either one-sided, incomplete, or pure speculation that you have zero proof of.

            To your credit, honestly, it’s nice to see that your not a flaming hole like a lot of folks I’ve seen trying to troll and stir things up on gay-friendly sites, but there is so much valid scholarship out there finally addressing this issue, it’s gonna be pretty hard to pull others back into your line of thinking. I was there for almost 30 years…until the Holy Spirit showed me I was wrong. Traditional thought is meaningless…if you’re wrong. I was wrong. Peace, brother.

          • Jerry Reiter

            NONE OF THOSE VERSES ADDRESS “HOMOSEXUALITY”, A MODERN MEDICAL CONCEPT DERIVED FROM SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE. YOU BIGOTS INSERT YOUR UGLY PREJUDICE INTO THE ENTIRE BIBLE. REPENT, MODERN PHARISEE.

          • Chris Larosa

            Stop yelling at me! My eyes hurt! ;P

          • jhr459

            Jerry, I think you need to look at Chris Larosa’s post once more. It looks to me as if he is taking on Aron Gochnauer’s post against homosexuality, not agreeing with it. I’m just sayin, my brother…….:-)

          • Jerry Reiter

            ONLY A LIAR WOULD CLAIM Mat 19 and Mk 10 JESUS SPEAKING ON GAY MARRIAGE. Those passages are against divorce and remarriage, teachings totally ignored by today’s evangelicals to the point that shocked researchers at Baylor Christian University found that evangelicals have a HIGHER DIVORCE RATE THAN SOCIETY AT LARGE. YOU HYPOCRITES – FIX YOUR OWN HOUSE.
            And the bible never discusses sexual orientation. Was Jesus a heterosexual or a homosexual or a bisexual or a pansexual? The bible never says, so anything you say on that is merely your opinion and bias.
            ps
            You conflated 2 unrelated things: sexual orientation is not an addiction EXCEPT IN THE MIND OF A BIGOT.
            PPS
            If you believe Jesus wrote the whole bible, you tacitly admit the bible is mainly a collection of parables because we all know that is how Jesus taught.

          • There is no need to yell at people here, we’re all in the same boat trying to figure this out. Your yelling and calling people bigots are not very christ like, and honestly has made me not even want to read into what you have said because you have so much hate behind the things you have said…I would have continued this conversation with you, but have decided not to because of how you are approaching the people here…I pray that God works in your heart and changes how you interact with people…if you truly believe in His Word and what He has told us in it, then you will understand what I am saying here, otherwise there is a lot of work to be done.

          • Jerry Reiter

            Hypocrite – say something to the bigots and I will believe you mean it. Otherwise, stop playing games.

          • Jerry Reiter

            Douchebag. Get lost.

          • Jerry Reiter

            STOP CLAIMING A PERSON’S SEXUAL ORIENTATION EQUATES TO AN ADDICTION LIKE ALCOHOLISM. NO ADDICTION EXPERT AGREES WITH YOU ON THAT. YOU ARE MERELY BLINDED BY HATE AND MISINFORMATION.

          • Jerry Reiter

            There goes the old false claim that a person’s sexual orientation is like an addiction. Nope, just ask any addiction expert.

          • timo_isle@hotmail.com

            There are many sin what actually Jeshua is not mentioning in the Bible but we don’t know the whole story what we know is a short story written by Evangelist. I don’t think is important for God to write a long list of sin, actually the most important is what separate us from God and that is message of the Gospel. We need to make sure that nothing separate us from God and we can have personal relationship with Him trough Jeshua.

          • Jerry Reiter

            You speak like a modern day Pharisee, creating loads and burdens for others to carry even when you admit Christ said nothing about the topic during his life. You ignore the actual teaching of Jesus that all the Old Testament teachings can be summed up in 2 commands: “Love God with your whole heart.. Love your neighbor as yourself.”
            You also void the cross of Christ which paid the price for every sin – past, present and future, and put Christians under the Old Law selectively. Woe unto you, Pharisee.

          • Mark Vilen

            Don’t debate with this biblically-ignorant guy, Jerry Reiter. He’s just an arrogant smart ass, not open to intelligent debate.

          • Mark Vilen

            Big deal on your Bible background. I know many with seminary degrees who I wouldn’t trust with teaching. You cannot get revelation from a seminary.

          • Jerry Reiter

            You get your revelation from Uranus.

          • Jerry Reiter

            Scumbag Pharisees think so. The KKK and ISIS agree with you. Every medical association has explained that there is no correlation between homosexuality and pedophiilia. You don’t have facts, but you have the devil’s tools – lies, fear and hate.

          • PrinceMyshkin1

            Ha ha you side with the liberal medical association and not the Bible. You are the true devil, confusing people. I feel sorry for you.

  • matsteman

    Nothing you wrote sounds as if it were written with love. Instead, your points are snarky and condescending.

    This statement from Jesus is no prescription for marriage. This is a description of what happens in heterosexual marriage, it is not a command that every man should be married (to a woman or anyone for that matter). Otherwise, a single, straight man would be sinning if he never left his mother and father to hold fast to a wife. And certainly, one wouldn’t say being single is a sin.

    Being gay is not a sin. If I were alone on a deserted island by myself, I’d still be gay. If I never have sex, I’m still gay. This is not my sole identity, but it does play a part in who I am. Until a gay person comes to this realization, she is often tormented by thoughts of self-hate and suicide (I’ve been there; Kevin has been there). Your wagging finger only adds to the self-loathing that occurs. We gay people have heard all of our lives about how evil it is to be gay. You are only heaping more burning coals.

    I realize responding to comments like yours won’t change your mind, but I do recommend trying to truly love a gay person instead of condemning him.

    • PrinceMyshkin1

      What I wrote doesn’t sound like love to you because I spoke Truth. Speaking Truth is an act of love. Truth upsets those in darkness. They call it hate because they love darkness. You tellingly characterize my speaking of Truth as “wagging my finger.” Silly but predictable. Also I never said being gay was “evil.” You love hyperbole. It helps with your self-pity. I said homosexuality was a sin. We all sin. But I don’t promote my sin as a viable lifestyle. I try to lessen it in my life. See the difference?

      You go on to list all your “opinions” about marriage and sin but you don’t site any source. This was about Christianity, right? How about doing what Jesus says? That was Jesus’ definition of marriage by the way, not a command. But nice try.

      I love all people including gay people. Nothing in my post said I condemned them. But this is a common tactic. Tell the person they’re a hater if they don’t want to sprinkle your sexual sin with warm fuzzies. Sorry that you felt suicidal and self-loathing. This may have more to do with your disconnection from a Lord you claim than with anything “finger waggers” like myself would do. I realize that this response won’t change you because you’ve redefined Christianity to fit your lifestyle and secular humanist world view. I just wish you wouldn’t call yourself a Christian.

      • 1 Corinthians 1:13 — “If I speak in the tongues of men or of angles, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.”

        You are a clanging symbol.

        • PrinceMyshkin1

          What do you want me to say? That Jesus loves homosexual lifestyles? He doesn’t. I love everyone. I don’t play games on pages where people claim to be Christians and distort Truth. But thanks for the judgment!

          • jhr459

            I never really understand why people such as yourself find your way into sites like this and then you stay and argue essentially, like you are going to change someone. I truly do not believe that you speak with love for us, but rather judgment and condemnation. Why not call it a day, find a site of like minds and just judge away.

          • PrinceMyshkin1

            I guess you just want lies about Christianity to be printed without any challenge. I’m not judging anyone. And I never said I speak for you (where do you people get all these misrepresentations?). I speak for real Christians and I cite God’s Word when I do. Why not just call it a day and leave me alone if you’re so worried about appearing judgmental?

          • Jeremiah Stanley

            *Real Christians* – such a value judgement.

          • PrinceMyshkin1

            How would you address the issue of true believers? Should people who claim to be Christians just invent their own ideas about Him, distorting his Truth or follow what He says? And as far as the judgment issue, we are allowed to call out false teaching.

          • Jeremiah Stanley

            ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’

            You’re nailing it bae.

          • PrinceMyshkin1

            Bae? Ha ha. I’m speaking Truth which is always loving.

          • Jerry Reiter

            You are a liar and the spawn of Satan, a man who agrees with the Phariees, the KKK and ISIS on gay issues.

          • PrinceMyshkin1

            Ha ha, now you’re showing how stupid you are. I’m not ISIS or kKK? What? Dumb hyperbole eliminates all your credibility. You’re obviously a joke. And not a Christian authority at all.

          • Jerry Reiter

            You call your hatred love, your prejudices truth and medical science a joke. You have fooled nobody but yourself. Repent, hater.

          • PrinceMyshkin1

            Ha ha. Nice try. No sense going on. You have a clever demon inside of you. I won’t play.

          • Jerry Reiter

            STOP USING THE NAME OF CHRIST TO PROMOTE PREJUDICE. Jesus Christ never spoke a single word against homosexuals during his life, per the Gospels. Go and do likewise.
            False teaching: the claim that a person’s sexual orientation is a chosen lifestyle. Sexual orientation is not a choice, per every medical association in the free world. And you are aware that the long-time leaders of the evangelical ex-gay ministries admitted 2 years ago that no Christian changed from homosexual to heterosexual even after decades of following Christ?

          • Jerry Reiter

            All of the evangelical ex-gay ministries which created “change” testimonials for decades have faded into history.

          • PrinceMyshkin1

            Many homosexuals are still being changed by the power of Christ.

          • Jerry Reiter

            “Gays can change through Christ” proclaimed evangelical ex-gay ministries for 40 years, but 2 years ago the long-time leaders admitted no Christian changed from homosexual to heterosexual. Google exodus admits gays can’t change.. All the testimonials they created were “fake it til ya’ make it’ wishful thinking.

          • PrinceMyshkin1

            Jesus can help you turn from your sin. Try Him instead of making your own version of Jesus who doesn’t exist.

          • Jerry Reiter

            Silly bigot. The real Jesus never spoke a word against homosexuals during His life, per the Gospels. Go and do likewise.

          • PrinceMyshkin1

            Apostate. Jesus said He was God in flesh. GOD DESTROYED SODOM. You obviously never read the Gospel.

          • Jerry Reiter

            “This was the sin of your sister, Sodom. Her citizens were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned for the poor.” – the bible
            Sounds like you are a sodomite, nythkin

          • I have yet to see you use any actual scripture here to back up your “God is okay with being gay” statements…
            I do agree that He still loves people who claim to be gay, however, it is stated that He loves everyone – a very well known verse John 3:16 – “For God so loved the world, that He gave up His one and only Son, so that whoever believes in Him, shall not perish, but have eternal life” (Italics added)
            And I read the article about Jesus “affirming” a gay couple in Matthew 8…but that article is almost all speculation…Jesus did not say anything about the gay couple…He was focusing on the man’s Faith, not his past decisions or why he wanted his partner healed (if it was an actual partner, I am not knowledgeable in what the Hebrew words mean – but if the author of the article is correct that the man that Jesus healed was gay, the focus of this lesson was not who He healed, but the large amount of faith that the man that came to him had)

          • Jerry Reiter

            I’m sure that bullshit goes over big at your KKK meeting. You are such an arrogant asshole, the kind of religious conservative Jesus dealt with in the bible stories. All religion is mythology. You are too stupid to do anything but spread lies and nonsense. You are a toxic piece of shit.

          • Aaron Gochnauer

            I can agree with you that being gay is not a sin. Just as being an alcoholic is not a sin and as being addicted to porn is not a sin. I believe “owing” being gay and “owning” being an alcoholic and “owing” being addicted to porn is awesome and necessary. But acting on these desires and passions is not. Now as far as Jesus not condemning men having sex with other men, here is what I would have to say to that:

            Jesus is never quoted in the New Testament as having directly addressed rape, incest, domestic violence or homosexual behavior. So are we supposed to believe all these practices are okay with Him?

            Gospel writer and apostle John tells us there are many teachings and deeds of Christ that are not included in their New Testament accounts (John 21:25).

            Christ is quoted at one point that God created people “in the beginning” as male and female, and that marriage is the union of one man and one woman joined together as “one flesh.” (Matthew 19:4-6 and Mark 10:6-9) Nothing is said about any other type of union.

            When He discussed sexual morality, Christ had a very high standard, clearly affirming long-standing Old Testament law. He told the woman caught in adultery to “Go and sin no more.” (John 8:11) He warned people that not only the act of adultery was wrong, but even adulterous thoughts (Matthew 5:28). And he shamed the woman at the well (John 4:18) by pointing out to her that he knew she was living with a man who was not her husband.

            Christ used the destruction of the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah as dramatic examples of God’s wrath (Matthew 10:15, Mark 6:11, Luke 10:12, and Luke 17:29). Throughout the Old Testament, prophets described these cities as being notorious for the practice of homosexuality. (Genesis 18:20, Genesis 19:4-5, Isaiah 3:9, Jeremiah 23:14, Ezekiel 16:46-59). Jesus certainly knew that this was how the comparison would be understood.

            Most important of all, Christ was God incarnate (in the flesh) here on earth. He was the long-expected Messiah, Emmanuel (which means “God with us”). This was revealed in Matthew 16:13- 20, Matthew 17:5-9, Mark 8:27-30, Luke 4:16-30, Luke 9:18-21,John 4:25-26, John 8:57-59 and elsewhere. As one with God, He was present from the beginning of creation (John 1: 1-13; Colossians 1:15-17; Ephesians 3:9 and elsewhere).

            So, Jesus was God as the laws were handed down through Moses to Israel and eventually to the whole world. This Old Testament law clearly prohibited homosexuality (Genesis 19, Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13; Deuteronomy 23:18 and elsewhere). The apostles understood this also, as shown by Paul’s writing in Romans 1:24-27, Peter’s in 2 Peter 2:4-22, and John’s in Revelation 22:15.

            So–the apostles, who were taught by Christ, clearly understood that homosexuality was a sin as it has always been. When people say, “Jesus said nothing about homosexuality,” they reveal that they really haven’t understood Scripture, or Who Christ was and is.

          • Jerry Reiter

            Every medical association in the free world has explained for decades: sexual orientation is not a choice.

          • PrinceMyshkin1

            STOP SAYING JESUS APPROVES OF SODOMY. He doesn’t. Jesus was God. God destroyed Sodom. You don’t know what you’re talking about. You’re a false teacher!
            Jesus spoke about sexual immorality with the prostitute. He said “GO THOU AND SIN NO MORE.” Not “go thou and have a parade” or “go thou and sew a flag.”

          • Jerry Reiter
          • PrinceMyshkin1

            THAT’S A LIE. HE MOST CERTAINLY DID NOT. Distortions

          • Jerry Reiter

            Bigots don’t believe the real Gospel. But Jesus loves HIS RAINBOW CHILDREN.

          • PrinceMyshkin1

            He does. But he DOESN’T LOVE OR AFFIRM THEIR SIN.

          • Jerry Reiter

            It is no sin to be homosexual, it’s not even a choice. It is a gift from God.

          • PrinceMyshkin1

            Ha ha, please cite the verse since you are an expert on the Bible where homosexuality is a “gift.”

          • Jerry Reiter

            It is written in all of God’s creation. God so loves homosexuality that God created some fabulous homosexuality among nearly every species. And only God can create a homosexual, and only God does. Stop hating God’s fabulous ones.

          • PrinceMyshkin1

            Okay, I get it. You’re a joke. It’s been fun.

          • Jerry Reiter

            You won’t get it, but your grandkids’ generation will see your views on gays and marriage equality the way we see our grandparents’ generation’s views on race and interracial marriage.

          • PrinceMyshkin1

            You won’t get it. IF there were only homosexual couples, there would be no grandchildren. This has nothing to do with race which no one can control. Jesus will come back before you have your way.

          • Jerry Reiter

            Bishop Desmond Tutu said it best:
            This is a matter of ordinary justice. We struggled against apartheid
            in South Africa, supported by people the world over, because black
            people were being blamed and made to suffer for something we could do
            nothing about — our very skin. It is the same with sexual orientation.
            It is a given. I could not have fought against the discrimination of
            apartheid and not also fight against the discrimination that homosexuals
            endure, even in our churches and faith groups.

            I am proud that in South Africa, when we won the chance to build our own
            new constitution, the human rights of all have been explicitly
            enshrined in our laws. My hope is that one day this will be the case all
            over the world, and that all will have equal rights. For me this
            struggle is a seamless robe. Opposing apartheid was a matter of justice.
            Opposing discrimination against women is a matter of justice. Opposing
            discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation is a matter of
            justice.

            It is also a matter of love. Every human being is
            precious. We are all — all of us — part of God’s family. We all must
            be allowed to love each other with honor. Yet all over the world,
            lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people are persecuted. We treat
            them as pariahs and push them outside our communities. We make them
            doubt that they too are children of God. This must be nearly the
            ultimate blasphemy. We blame them for what they are.

            Churches say
            that the expression of love in a heterosexual monogamous relationship
            includes the physical — the touching, embracing, kissing, the genital
            act; the totality of our love makes each of us grow to become
            increasingly godlike and compassionate. If this is so for the
            heterosexual, what earthly reasons have we to say that it is not the
            case with the homosexual?

            The Jesus I worship is not likely to collaborate with those who vilify
            and persecute an already oppressed minority. I myself could not have
            opposed the injustice of penalizing people for something about which
            they could do nothing — their race — and then have kept quiet as women
            were being penalized for something they could do nothing about — their
            gender; hence my support for the ordination of women to the priesthood
            and the episcopate.

            Equally, I cannot keep quiet while people are
            being penalized for something about which they can do nothing — their
            sexuality. To discriminate against our sisters and brothers who are
            lesbian or gay on grounds of their sexual orientation for me is as
            totally unacceptable and unjust as apartheid ever was.

          • PrinceMyshkin1

            I don’t treat anyone as pariahs. I just refuse to let them tell me the Bible affirms their sinful lifestyles. I don’t hate. I just stand with God, not the culture. End of discussion.

          • Jerry Reiter

            God is the One who created some homosexuality in nearly every species in Nature. Homosexuality is perfectly natural. Bigotry is a lifestyle choice.

          • PrinceMyshkin1

            Pedophiles would agree with you.

          • MusicLover

            You “speak for real Christians?” Yep, no judgement in that statement.

            Sir, you are the false teacher. You are preaching “another gospel.” Your vitriolic ramblings are just exactly what Satan needs to keep thousands of gay and lesbian people from ever coming to relationship with God. Wake up! You are the enemy’s messenger!

          • Leweiss

            And who are you to even proclaim that Jesus would not love homosexual lifestyles when He didn’t say anything about it?

            I’m not saying that you should take our side… but at least see a gray line here.

            What is man to woman relationship anyway? Is it just about reproduction? Sex? Can’t ‘relationships’ be about mutual kindness and spiritual uplifting?
            Do you seriously think that two people of the same gender cannot hone each other’s spirituality?

    • Aaron Gochnauer

      I want to preface this by stating I am not intending to come across as argumentative, but am solely curious as to your (or anyone’s) thoughts. Maybe I did not read the article in full, but are you “owning” being a gay Christian in the same sense that people “own” being an alcoholic and they way people “own” being addicted to porn? These people (my self included) have extremely similar stories as you. They never chose this. They have tried to not be an alcoholic and not be addicted to porn. They prayed God would take this away (even Paul had a thorn in his side the Lord would not remove.) Some of these people may even have attempted to commit suicide. They went to conferences and therapists offices. They wrestled with God. etc. So here we have a situation where these people recognize that becoming drunk without control and viewing pornography as a satisfaction to one’s lustful desires are not things the Lord views as honoring and glorifying to Him, but in fact are things that he would consider sinful. I would say many of these people have “owned” being an alcoholic and “owned” being addicted to porn. That, though, they recognize is not sinful. The actions are the sin, not the addiction and desire. It is when we find the strength in God to resist the things we want to do, when we see grace most abundant. I “own” being addicted to porn. I am a Christian. You could say I am a “porn-addicted Christian.” Does that mean I want to be? No. Does that mean I think it is ok to view pornography? No. I fight to NOT look at porn. But I am convinced those desires will never leave. Though I will admit that “owning” it has made the fight easier. Coming aside other believers who “own” it as a well has been such a blessing. I also know a few alcoholics who “own” it and fight the same fight. So all this to say, is this the situation you have described? I agree that you can be a gay-Christian. But are you suggesting that this in turn makes it alright for you to act on your gay desires? Is it alright for you to have sex with another man? My thoughts lead me to say “no” as it is not alright for a porn-addict to view porn and an alcoholic to go get waisted. I should point out (just in case it wasn’t made clear before) that just because someone says they are an alcoholic or a porn-addict does NOT mean they participate in these things. I have a good friend who is 100% an alcoholic, yet has not had a drop of alcohol in over 2 years. I am 100% a porn-addict, yet have not looked at porn in more than 6 months. I applaud you for recognizing and declaring that you are gay. I believe completely that this may never change, and you really can’t fight being gay. You just are. So I want to know if you think (as asked above), if acting on these desires is alright and pleasing to the Lord. If not, we are on the same page. If so, I would like to know how your situation differs from mine and so many others. Thank you again for your thoughts!!

      • Aaron, I don’t think being gay is a sin the way porn addiction and alcoholism are sins. If I thought it were a sin (like I used to think), I would not be declaring my orientation so openly. Certainly, one can act on their sexuality (gay or straight) in sinful ways, but I don’t think a monogamous, committed relationship with someone of the same gender is a sin. That’s the short answer. As to why I don’t think it’s a sin, I’m sure Kevin will discuss this in the coming weeks.

        • Asemodevs

          Wow, ugly.
          Is that your face or your assho/e? Truly disgusting. Must be your immune system is shot to hell. Are you in a hospice yet?

  • Johnny Purves

    Kevin this is beautiful to read! Thank you again for writing with such boldness and vulnerability. You deserve nothing less than people taking time to understand your story as another human being. I’m so excited to follow the thought processes you have gone through to get where your at. Love you brother x

  • jhr459

    Kevin, I am so glad that your attempts didn’t work. Like you, I am a gay Christian man. Unlike you though, I never really struggled with it. I was blessed with a Mother that loved me unconditionally and a Father that did what my Mother told him (at least about this). I have been with my partner/husband Mark for almost 34 years now and can only wish you a similar experience-if that’s what you seek. So glad you are vocal, articulate and intelligent – we need young men (and women) like you to usher us into this new world.

    • PrinceMyshkin1

      You claim you’re a “gay” Christian. Can you please cite a verse from the Bible that supports your lifestyle? What ‘new world’ are you talking about? The one of false teachers and persecution of true Christians? All the people supporting Kevin have little to say about the Bible or Jesus, as you can see.

      • Alexa Provost

        You have stated your piece. I think it is time for you to move on now.

  • jhr459

    just another guy wading through a quarter life crisis
    I cannot imagine what it must feel like to be in the dawn of your life. I will control my jealousy. 🙂

  • spirare

    stay strong, kevin. your fight has only begun. when the self-doubt rises, like bruises from stones being thrown (which will be thrown at you, heavily), when you question what you’ve come to know, hold onto the Peace it gave you. you will be told things and treated in ways that might make you question yourself. in those moments, reach deep and cling tightly to the Peace that was the forbearer of Freedom for you. that is Real. that is Truth. regardless of what others say, you know that to be true.

    • Debbie McCullough Hayhurst

      Amen!

  • Alexa Provost

    I always knew you would be so remarkable, Shev… Your courage is going to change many lives. You have offered a message of hope and love that so many people, gay AND straight need to hear. Thank you for every ounce of this.

  • Jerry Reiter

    Congrats for your candor and integrity, Kevin. You are not as rare as you think. There are over 4 million LGBT Christians alive today on our planet (out of 2.1 billion Christians worldwide). The list of LGBT-affirming churches is now a long one and growing rapidly… Google it. 😉

    • Kristine Rowland

      And every single one of us have been waiting. Hi Jerry. Brave of you to go toe to toe with the troll patrol at RLC. I’ve kinda given up on them. Much love. Hugs <3

  • Jerry Reiter

    NONSENSE. Read conservative evangelical professor James V. Brownson’s brilliant book, “Bible, Gender and Sexuality.” for the most thorough review of scripture and history of the church on these issues.

  • Jerry Reiter

    There is no such thing as “homosexuality” in scriptural terms. It is a modern medical term. That is why you are confused.

    • Mr. Reiter, you need to stop posting this…it absolutely does Leviticus 18: 22 “Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.”

      • Jerry Reiter

        Oh, well then, if Leviticus
        18:22 states it to be an abomination. … End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of
        God’s Law and how to follow them.
        1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know
        it creates a pleasing odour for the Lord – Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbours. They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
        2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned
        in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
        3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her
        period of menstrual uncleanliness – Lev.15:19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.
        4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and
        female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations.
        A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not
        Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can’t I own Canadians?
        5. Lev 20:10 says to execute adulterers. Will you execute county clerk Kim Davis?
        6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
        abomination (of which there are many)- Lev. 11:10,
        it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don’t agree. Can you settle this? Are there ‘degrees’ of abomination?
        7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a
        defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses.
        Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
        8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including
        the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden
        by Lev.19:27. How should they die?
        9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig
        makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
        10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different
        crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments
        made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble ofgetting the whole town together to stone them? – Lev.24:10-16. Couldn’t we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with peoplewho sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
        I know you have studied these things extensively and thus
        enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help.
        Thank you again for reminding us that God’s word is eternal
        and unchanging.

      • Jerry Reiter

        Fuck off asshole. You lying hypocrite. You don’t follow any of the OT law yourself. You just pretend LGBT people must do what you do not.

  • Will Lenington

    Praying

  • Thank you for sharing your story. I was glad to meet you at TRP in ATL, even if only briefly, and I’m glad that you found spiritual communion there. You are brave–keep up the good work!

  • Elsa Maria Lorenzo

    Wow, I am sharing in the hope that others will read and gain an understanding of the pain that you endured for so many years. I’m always so happy, Christian or not, to hear these stories of new found acceptance and joy.

  • Michael Leslie

    No one can take this away! The Holy Spirit is the infallible witness to the truth that Christ lives in our hearts and we in his. John the Beloved tells us: “We know that we live in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit” (1 John 4:13). “The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children” (Romans 8:16).

  • Kristine Rowland

    I’m about to love you so hard right now. Go check this out, let me share my coming out story.
    http://theoldadventuresofthenewkristine.blogspot.com/2015/04/my-story.html

    Christianity Unchained…welcome. <3

    Thank you for coming out.

  • Robin M

    I’m so happy for you! Thanks for sharing your story it is so helpful for us allies, it helps us stand with you!

  • Debbie McCullough Hayhurst

    Kevin, I am so proud of you. You are brave. This is a powerful testimony. “They overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and the word of their testimony”. I’m so happy you didn’t continue to bear false witness against yourself for one more day. We are children of the Light! You are stronger than you ever imagined. I will be praying for you as you open the prison doors and set the captives free from the dark places of fear. God speed little brother.

  • Leweiss

    How come a lot of these homophobic Christians equate LGBT to prostitution????
    GEEZ… Cant two women/men both love and care for each other?
    Why is sexual ethics focused too much on who can have sex with whom? Isn’t supposed to be about respect? Mutual giving? Mutual care? Mutual Love?

  • jhr459

    Kevin, you might consider moving your site or changing moderators. I had one of my comments replying to princewhatshisname and it was removed. I assure you it was in no way defamatory or inappropriate and yet his posts all seem to be intact here. I won’t be commenting here anymore as the removal seemed to be editorial and that’s not for me.

    • Jerry Reiter

      The fake named princemshkin1 should be banned as he had hundreds of inflammatory posts removed and he continues calling gays every false and evil thing possible.

  • Jill Lesh

    Hi Kevin, I am not Gay, but my sister and several of my friends are. I have been a Christian for almost 30 years and when my sister came out to me I told God that this was His problem not mine, I was not going to reject my sister or the truth that she had found the courage to live. That was a long time ago and since then I believe He has shown me that I don’t have to choose between Him and the LGBT people I adore and respect. I know that I might be one of very few Christians that has the opportunity to represent God’s true heart towards them. Your courage to come out as a gay Christian and to share your very personal and heartbreaking journey just melts my heart Kevin. You are beautiful human being and you have done something very important. I sometimes feel a little isolated being a LGBT loving Christian and your story has really blessed and encouraged me. Thank you!!

    • Paul Clevett

      Wow that’s a wonderful wonderful comment. Thank you 🙂 (Us Gay Christian’s get it rough some times)

  • Aaron Gochnauer

    I want to preface this by stating I am not intending to come across as argumentative, but am solely curious as to your (or anyone’s) thoughts. Maybe I did not read the article in full, but are you “owning” being a gay Christian in the same sense that people “own” being an alcoholic and they way people “own” being addicted to porn? These people (my self included) have extremely similar stories as you. They never chose this. They have tried to not be an alcoholic and not be addicted to porn. They prayed God would take this away (even Paul had a thorn in his side the Lord would not remove.) Some of these people may even have attempted to commit suicide. They went to conferences and therapists offices. They wrestled with God. etc. So here we have a situation where these people recognize that becoming drunk without control and viewing pornography as a satisfaction to one’s lustful desires are not things the Lord views as honoring and glorifying to Him, but in fact are things that he would consider sinful. I would say many of these people have “owned” being an alcoholic and “owned” being addicted to porn. That, though, they recognize is not sinful. The actions are the sin, not the addiction and desire. It is when we find the strength in God to resist the things we want to do, when we see grace most abundant. I “own” being addicted to porn. I am a Christian. You could say I am a “porn-addicted Christian.” Does that mean I want to be? No. Does that mean I think it is ok to view pornography? No. I fight to NOT look at porn. But I am convinced those desires will never leave. Though I will admit that “owning” it has made the fight easier. Coming aside other believers who “own” it as a well has been such a blessing. I also know a few alcoholics who “own” it and fight the same fight. So all this to say, is this the situation you have described? I agree that you can be a gay-Christian. But are you suggesting that this in turn makes it alright for you to act on your gay desires? Is it alright for you to have sex with another man? My thoughts lead me to say “no” as it is not alright for a porn-addict to view porn and an alcoholic to go get waisted. I should point out (just in case it wasn’t made clear before) that just because someone says they are an alcoholic or a porn-addict does NOT mean they participate in these things. I have a good friend who is 100% an alcoholic, yet has not had a drop of alcohol in over 2 years. I am 100% a porn-addict, yet have not looked at porn in more than 3 months. I applaud you for recognizing and declaring that you are gay. I believe completely that this may never change, and you really can’t fight being gay. You just are. So I want to know if you think (as asked above), if acting on these desires is alright and pleasing to the Lord. If not, we are on the same page. If so, I would like to know how your situation differs from mine and so many others. Thank you again for your thoughts!!

  • Aaron Gochnauer

    I want to preface this by stating I am not intending to come across as argumentative, but am solely curious as to your (or anyone’s) thoughts. Maybe I did not read the article in full, but are you “owning” being a gay Christian in the same sense that people “own” being an alcoholic and they way people “own” being addicted to porn? These people (my self included) have extremely similar stories as you. They never chose this. They have tried to not be an alcoholic and not be addicted to porn. They prayed God would take this away (even Paul had a thorn in his side the Lord would not remove.) Some of these people may even have attempted to commit suicide. They went to conferences and therapists offices. They wrestled with God. etc. So here we have a situation where these people recognize that becoming drunk without control and viewing pornography as a satisfaction to one’s lustful desires are not things the Lord views as honoring and glorifying to Him, but in fact are things that he would consider sinful. I would say many of these people have “owned” being an alcoholic and “owned” being addicted to porn. That, though, they recognize is not sinful. The actions are the sin, not the addiction and desire. It is when we find the strength in God to resist the things we want to do, when we see grace most abundant. I “own” being addicted to porn. I am a Christian. You could say I am a “porn-addicted Christian.” Does that mean I want to be? No. Does that mean I think it is ok to view pornography? No. I fight to NOT look at porn. But I am convinced those desires will never leave. Though I will admit that “owning” it has made the fight easier. Coming aside other believers who “own” it as a well has been such a blessing. I also know a few alcoholics who “own” it and fight the same fight. So all this to say, is this the situation you have described? I agree that you can be a gay-Christian. But are you suggesting that this in turn makes it alright for you to act on your gay desires? Is it alright for you to have sex with another man? My thoughts lead me to say “no” as it is not alright for a porn-addict to view porn and an alcoholic to go get waisted. I should point out (just in case it wasn’t made clear before) that just because someone says they are an alcoholic or a porn-addict does NOT mean they participate in these things. I have a good friend who is 100% an alcoholic, yet has not had a drop of alcohol in over 2 years. I am 100% a porn-addict, yet have not looked at porn in more than 6 months. I applaud you for recognizing and declaring that you are gay. I believe completely that this may never change, and you really can’t fight being gay. You just are. So I want to know if you think (as asked above), if acting on these desires is alright and pleasing to the Lord. If not, we are on the same page. If so, I would like to know how your situation differs from mine and so many others. Thank you again for your thoughts!!

    • Jerry Reiter

      You assume sexual orientation is an addiction. Wrong. Ask any addiction expert. THERE IS NOTHING HARMFUL ABOUT BEING LGBT. It is a gift from God, just as heterosexuality is a gift from God. Sexual orientation is not a choice, explained every medical association in the free world for years now. The evangelical ex-gay leaders admitted 2 years ago no Christians turned from homosexual to heterosexual. The ex-gay ministries which spent decades creating “change” testimonials have faded into history. The testimonials which still float around online were all “fake it til ya’ make it” wishful thinking.
      If you still believe sexual orientation is a choice, try changing yours.

    • Nine Inch Nail

      Unless you’ve lived with it you can’t comprehend it. Please stop trying to pigeonhole and label and analyze so you can have more effective ammunition.

  • Chris Larosa

    Rock on, Kevin. Great testimony. There are so many of us out there with similar and varying testimonies of God’s truth breaking through the awful lies we’ve been and continue to be told. The Holy Spirit is doing a marvelous thing and He is bringing freedom to the captives of the Church. May we continue to move forward in grace and truth and walk in the manner in which He has called all of us!

  • Davo

    You want answers to sexuality? Read John Paul II on theology of the body. I’m protestant and have an MDiv. Best book you will ever read.

    http://www.amazon.com/Man-Woman-He-Created-Them/dp/0819874213

    All The Best,

    David

    • Jerry Reiter

      i love books on sexuality by celibates. They are hilarious.

  • Holly Mason

    I am in the midst of the battle that is reconciling being gay and christian. Well, actually, I’ve reconciled the two perfectly well within my own heart and soul. I feel at ease, at peace. I feel God’s blessings. It’s just a matter of reconciling this with my family, with my parents. It’s a struggle and a lot of heartache (as you may know). And blog posts like this are always encouraging & helpful. Thank you!!!!!! God bless and be well!

  • John Frederick

    Praise the Lord. Thank you. I looked for a way to contact you, but I guess this is the only way. I have created a link on my site http://www.thetestament.org to yours under the 2 menu headings Allies and Testimonials. I hope that is OK. If not I will remove the links. I am also a Gay Christian doing the Lord’s work for a number of years as an ordained deacon. I was ordained by the late Rev. Sylvia Pennington who was a straight woman giving her full support to our community. Furtunately I never had a problem with being gay and being a Believer. Unfortunately, a lot of people are and that is why I created the website. With you coming out as you did it gives a lot of our people, especially the young ones who are gay hope.

  • Nine Inch Nail

    This sounds too familiar.
    I grew up terrified of “god” and knew from the time I was ten years old “god” hated me and I was going to “hell”. In fact, that’s the only reason I wasn’t a suicide. I was more afraid of “hell” than the hell I was living in for at least three decades.
    That’s enough about me. I am glad you’re on this journey out of denial and self-condemnation and thank you so much for sharing!

  • Debbi Kannemeyer

    Well done Kevin 🙂 once you took that step to be your “normal self” it was like breathing for the first time right. Do not let the haters drag you down, continue to trust the Holy Spirit and His refining and defining of you, never stop testifying! There are so many that have been beaten to death by bible wielding Christians and family that they just don’t want a relationship like you and we share with our King, its hard and it gets harder. But stay true Philippians 2:13 He makes it easier and so worth it 🙂

  • Hank Selzer

    YAY KEVIN!!! I’m a gay Christian myself, and applaud your bravery! I’m a little late writing this, but I will be praying for you and eagerly reading your blogs from here on in. YOU GO, BOY!

  • TheGuyinCharge

    Simply amazing. Kevin is fascinated by other men’s junk and anuses AND he loves Jesus. I cannot help but applaud the man’s strength of character. Drooling over junk and anuses is very noble by itself, of course, but doing it in church is flat-out heroic.

  • I feel like I’ve always had a feeling since stumbling across your stuff over at Bedlam. This was refreshing to read as I’m sure it was liberating to write. I’m also walking with you on this issue, brother, though on a different theological landing zone. Nonetheless, I’m piqued by your new journey and look forward to seeing where it leads next. I hope our paths cross someday. Blessings!

  • Ricky

    “We know that the law is good when used correctly. For the law was not intended for people who do what is right. It is for people who are lawless and rebellious, who are ungodly and sinful, who consider nothing sacred and defile what is holy, who kill their father or mother or commit other murders. The law is for people who are sexually immoral, or who practice homosexuality, or are slave traders, liars, promise breakers, or who do anything else that contradicts the wholesome teaching that comes from the glorious Good News entrusted to me by our blessed God.” -1 Timothy 1:8-11

    “Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves.Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people—none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God.” -1 Corinthians 6:9-10

    So this is the New Testament. This is said in light of the New Covenant. Could someone give me a good explanation of these verses from the stated blog post position? I’m not trying to hurt anyone or make anyone sound dumb. I have simply never heard a good explanation for how someone should interpret that who affirms the active practice of homosexuality.

    If you want to respond to this you can, but this is simply where I’m coming from. I was addicted to pornography. I justified it as okay. This was what I like to partake in and the images of the women that I looked at was more fulfilling than I thought I would ever be able to enjoy in person. I repented of my sin, sinned again, repented, sinned, repented, sinned, repented, didn’t look at porn for 6 months, looked at porn off and on for 6 months, stopped for a few months, and took temptation out of my life. The times when I didn’t masturbate or look at porn were vastly more fulfilling and healthy than when I did look at porn even when I didn’t think it was wrong. I am now happily married. I have not put myself in places to be tempted to look at porn and it is wonderful. Sex with my wife is so much better than looking at porn. More than that, sex with my wife is good, while looking at porn was evil. The reason why I’m sharing all of this is I know my relationship with my wife would be so much more incredibly painful and less loving if I continued to struggle with porn, or lusted in the ways I use to. I sinned, but I asked the Lord to help me fight my sin. I didn’t stop fighting sin. I died to my own desires. By the grace of God, I have been able to consistently repent and turn from my sin of lust in marriage. Will I sin until I die? Yes. But I hope by the power of the Holy Spirit that I never again sin in that way without the conviction of the Holy Spirit by the revelation of scripture.

    Do you think it was wrong for me to view pornography? What basis would you have scripturally for saying so that you wouldn’t have to also say it is wrong for one man to sleep with another or one woman to sleep with another?

    Thank you,
    Ricky

  • iiana

    Hi (I’m pretty sure I’m making a comment really really late),

    This has touched my heart because this is what I am as well. I had to stop reading for a few minutes because tears were starting to well up, and I don’t want to be caught crying in front of a computer screen. I’m a gay girl, but I believe that I’m a firm Christian. You could say I love girls and God ^^; It’s an amazing feeling to know that I’m not alone, not being the only gay Christian there is. 🙂 Have a great day~! 😀

  • KJVBibleBeliever 1611

    i’m a Christian and yes i am a shoplifter. I am proud because God made me this way. I tried to stop shoplifting but my heart told me i couldn’t. I even got help to try to stop myself from shoplifting and the church told me stealing was a sin but my nature told me you cannot stop. #Christianshoplifter

  • Lizzie

    I’m a 15 year old Lesbian. My parents were never intensely religious. I’ve also struggled with an intensely painful Panic Disorder brought into picture by thoughts of life after death. I struggled for a long time I tried to not belive like many of my friends had, but I found that only brought me worse pains. I’ve finally accepted that I can be both gay and religious but while working on a project I only found rudeness against the topic. I send my sincerest gratitude that you wrote this. I read rudely written paragraphs on how you can’t be both. Why do you think so many run from the church when they realize they are gay? I’m fine with atheists I just never got why people were so quick to drop there faith.

  • Amanda Morrison

    God’s Holy Spirit would not tell one something that contradicts with his word. He was the same yesterday, today, and in the future. I urge you to pray and seek him. What you believe, what you state that God has told you.. is a lie from the pit of hell and not from God. Yes, God loves you. He loves all. John 3:16 so much so that He sent his only son to die for you and I.. So that we may be forgiven of our sins. I pray you read Gods word and seek Him.. that you will find the Lord Jesus Christ and that he will draw near to you.. and that you will feel the conviction to change from your wicked ways and repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ! Time is running out! All will be judged. If you delete this..it is only because it is the truth.. please brother Kevin do not believe in those lies that Satan has planted in your head.. all of you… please.. go to the Father in Heaven .. repent.. be baptized in the name of JESUS christ…he loves you all…so much.. you don’t have to suffer this alone and believe these lies…there is freedom found in God. I approach you with love and peace..